I understand that modern outer layers are more functional. A leather jacket, for example, can be dressed up or down so as to be worn in a variety of situations. It is also better at keeping you warm.
However, I think capes/cloaks are more aesthetically pleasing garments. It also feels good to have the fabric flowing around you as you walk. But what do you think?
The actual reason that we don’t is pretty much because of the invention of sewing machines. Once sewing machines were widespread, making coats became sooo much cheaper than they had been. Coats need a lot of tightly made seams which took time and so made coats very expensive. With sewing machines, making these seams was vastly quicker and more reliable.
Coats win over cloaks in so many ways because you can do things with your arms without exposing them or your torso to the rain and cold: impossible with a cloak.
Capes were the short versions - and intended to cover the shoulder and back without seams that might let the rain in, but with the new machine made seams, they were not needed either.
The really big change was when it became affordable to outfit armies with coats instead of cloaks or capes. At that point all the caché and prestige that was associated with military rank disappeared from cloaks and capes and they were suddenly neither useful not fashionable.
Nowadays, of course, they are no longer what your unfashionable dad would have worn: they are quite old enough to have regained a certain style.
Awesome comment. Today I learned something.
The other big reason is that the world is cleaner. Capes and cloaks also protect the whole body from mud/dust and can be easily removed. Riding a horse or walking on dirt roads is a lot dirtier than riding in cars or walking on a sidewalk
The original type of coat that would have been worn when riding was the Great Coat - which did cover the whole body, down to the ankles (and included the front of the body much better than a cloak). Those would have been worn by military officers, particularly.
Those were fine for riding, but then if you were off your horse and end up in the newly developed trench warfare - starting from around the US civil war onwards - you ended up wading through mud which got caked to the coat. So then they started cutting the coats shorter and they became Trench Coats.
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you ended up wading through mud
Horse shit. In cities, you waded through horse shit.
As someone who has done extensive reenactment in period dress, sometimes in towns dedicated to realism that banned cars and relied on horses for travel, you wouldn’t believe how terrible even a dozen carriages and a few dozen private horses can be to your skirts/trousers and shoes. Especially when it rains.
People sometimes make light of women in the past who changed their outer clothes two or three times a day, but if you were in town, your attire would be absolutely foul after a few hours in the same outer skirt. A long cloak helped immensely to keep your skirts or trousers from soaking up horse sewage.
Once cars took over, that stopped being a problem, cloaks weren’t as desirable as they obscured fashion, and coats became shorter and more for protection from the weather than from horse shit.
There was a bit of military influence, but that was more about fashion than functional influence.
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Vogue tells a different history of the trench coat, claiming its origins are actually raincoats for active well-to-do British gentlemen:
https://www.vogue.fr/fashion/article/vogue-encyclopaedia-the-history-of-the-trench-coat
The “British Warm” was the intermediary as I understand it: a shorter greatcoat favoured by Britsh officers in WW1. The Trenchcoat itself was modeled to fit over, accompany or replace this.
For a military officers that are practically nobility would have more and different clothing options than the average citizen.
I know someone who wears a cloak cape. They explained this to me how practical it was back 300 years ago that you could wear your nightly blanket.
I asked them if that was a situation they ran into often while living in Brooklyn. Having to bed down for the night with your cloak.
Or just living in New York where it’s cold in the winter. It’s a blanket you wear over your coat. You’re not supposed to wear it as your only piece of outer clothing.
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Also, Batman.
100% of the cloaks and capes I’ve seen IRL have been as part of either someone’s weird cosplay or some neckbeard/weeb shit. I think that, a bit like the fedora, they’re just sorta ruined now due to the people who wear them.
They’ve just morphed. A poncho is basically a cloak that doesn’t open. A long dress coat is basically a cloak with formal buttons.
A long dress coat is basically a cloak with formal buttons.
Also sleeves, which are the main difference anyway
I think this is why the cloak died. Sleeves are just so useful.
They can kind of get in the way though. Cloaks could give your arms more freedom of movement if you really need it. I could see a resurgence in military and/or trade uses.
I wear a Fedora sometimes - AC can get cold and my hair isn’t as thick as it used to be… it just seems easier than converting to Judaism to be able to wear a Yamaka:-P.
Surely you know there are other options than just “fedora” or “yarmulke.”
Cowboy hat? :-P
But I am open to suggestions if you have any…
In addition to the usual ubiquitous collection of random baseball caps, I also have a top hat.
I figure if I’m going to be lumped in with somebody, I’d rather it be the steampunkers than the neckbeards.
Here’s a few that I think are probably more fashionable than a fedora:
Baseball cap, pork pie hat, knit hat (e.g. skull cap, watch cap, beanie), docker cap, scally cap, newsboy hat, ivy cap, ascot, bucket hat.
That’s a great list.
And almost every one of those is likely to work better for OP, work with more outfits, etc, and have less of a stigma than a fedora.
Just a quick note that in the USA, unless there is a sports logo on it, cap = MAGA hat, sorry, dems the rules.
But Breaking Bad hat, now that is a damn fine argument that you made there!? :-P
Just out of curiosity because I see signs for it all the time, we went to Boot City yesterday.
The first thing you see when you go through the door as the overpowering smell of leather hits you is a massive row of cowboy hats that just keeps going and going.
It was not a pleasant experience overall. This was amusing, however:
I was hearing Jeff Foxworthy in my head. “If your living room furniture is made of cow horns…”
Holy cow! Oh uh… no, I mean, I guess literally!? :-P
Holey cow. It’s the only way they could get the rivets through the leather and horn.
You know what I’m talking about!!
Flat cap
AC can get cold and my hair isn’t as thick as it used to be… it just seems easier than converting to Judaism to be able to wear a Yamaka:-P.
I pity Americans who don’t just wear a touque (or as you might call it, a beanie). Honestly it’s the perfect hat for cold weather. Here in Canada, basically everyone wears one for the half of the year where it’s cold enough to warrant a hat. Some people are fancy and wear an Ushanka hat or a Nordic hat in the winter, but 99% just wear a touque.
I’ve lived all over America and people wear beanies
Indeed I wear a beanie the whole winter, whenever I can get away with it.:-D But in 100 degree weather, it wouldn’t work quite as well…:-P.
Yeah I’d imagine if it’s so hot that water is boiling you probably can’t wear a hat comfortably
Hehehe, Oh Canada… :-) Don’t you know that you are using the
correct“wrong” temperature system - the only sensible one is based on how many pinkies were on the toe of the king’s son’s aunt’s cousin’s horse 200 years ago. I am sure you will agree with me that nothing else makes close to that degree of common sense - on THAT much at least we are SURE to agree! 🙃Oh god you sound like you wear a fedora.
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What? A toboggan is a sled. We’re talking about hats.
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Just looked it up. Apparently that’s what southerners call a touque. Y’all’re weird.
But since you’re a lemmy user you probably fall into that bracket anyway
Wear a beret.
If necessary, affect a French accent.
Or throw people off by affecting a Texas Twang or Southern Drawl.
Wear a beret, speak in a low monotone voice, go bald, grow a big walrus-like moustache.
Find a red haired side kick/partner and go blow stuff up for 15 years!!
Howdy ya’all, faire bon accueil, I hope you are living in high cotton today! :-P
Can’t really pull off a fedora (or similar) without a suit that matches, otherwise, yeah, you just look like a neckbeard or maybe a Michael Jackson cosplayer. If you aren’t dressing in formal attire, consider a baseball cap, beanie, hood, cabbie hat, or even a stetson if it’s up your alley.
No googling or anything, huh? Just throwing “yamaka” out there and hoping it was right?
Try it - you might be surprised? :-P
That’s… An acceptable spelling.
either someone’s weird cosplay
Why “weird”?
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It’s ackshully called a trilby
The issue is it has to fit the overall outfit. A fedora can still look really good if you have a well tailored suit to match it, while most of the things that look good with a cloak are, frankly, uncomfortable to wear everyday compared to modern clothing. This is why it’s essentially only done for cosplay and larping nowadays, looking like that is fun every now and then but not so fun that you’d want to go about daily life dressed that way.
Alternately, maybe cool people should start wearing them and then they could get rid of the stigma.
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It’s because of cars and trains
Horses and to a lesser extent bikes let you just throw the cape out behind you as you ride, but if you’re riding in a chair, you have to bunch it up as you’re getting in so you don’t accidentally auto-asphyxiate yourself with the titanic cheeks you inherited from yo mama
We should all ride broomsticks, problem solved
I feel like capes went out of style around the industrial revolution for the very reasons outlined in The Incredibles by Edna as to why she doesn’t design costumes with capes.
Definitely wouldn’t want my cape to get caught in a car or train door.
I came here to this topic looking for this reference. /applaud
Women can get away with it. My coworker has a beautiful full-length, wool winter cape she wears just for every-day. I bet men could, too, with a suit on a formal occasion.
Yep, I have shorter ones for more casual outfits and full length for dressy events. They never seem “costumey” when they go with the overall look. I’m a woman in a metro area though.
I bet men could, too, with a suit on a formal occasion.
I disagree. I think some men could pull this off, but it would mostly come across as cartoony in most circumstances. Even 3-piece suits are seen as too formal/old-fashioned by people.
Where I could see cloaks looking fashionable and natural is in milsurp/gorpcore inspired outfits. Something like This cloak is pretty damn interesting and would look just fine On this outfit Or this one
How are those words real?
Military surplus
Gorp is a hiker snack. So it just means hiker core.
Thanks, now it makes some sense.
I’m in an urban center where you still see a fair amount of suits downtown during business hours. Honestly, capes or cloaks with the outfits you linked I would just assume were blankets and I’d expect to be asked for change…I mean, I see that already, every day. It’s an “interesting” look alright.
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Am I that out of touch with fashion lmao.
I have a wool plaid cape I got from a woman’s estate sale but it isn’t necessarily gendered, though as a man I haven’t been brave enough to wear it outside of the house yet except to a Burns supper where I got a lot of compliments. My coworkers are used to seeing me wear it on video throughout winter
Edit: after some googling it may be a cloak and not a cape since it is full length. I wear it as a sweater replacement
Dude is dripped out
So are my panties
Nice…
Because we don’t ride horses anymore.
This is the real answer. For many more questions too. One day in the distant future people will ask why don’t we ---- anymore and the answer will be because we don’t drive cars anymore.
This might actually make sense!
How does a cape help when riding a horse?
You need to stay warm, but you can’t have your legs blocked by something like a trench coat (unbuttoned cowboy duster excluded), since you need them free to mount and sit on a horse. A cape keeps you warm, but keeps your front lower body free to ride, and lays flat against the horses back when mounted. Since we ride in cars instead of on horses now, the design isn’t very useful anymore. A long cape will get in the way when getting into a car, and when sitting down in a car seat. Jackets and coats are more practical now.
nothing’s stopping you from wearing one.
sitting in cars with a cape sucks.
Bikes superior to cars once again.
Do you mean motorcycles or bicycles?
Yes
Understandable, have a nice day
Do you know from experience or is this speculation? I believe you, I’m just curious.
yep, ive had a full length cloak since childhood and wear it when im home or in the office but i rarely travel with it on.
i got it because of lord Nikon from Hackers.
But you’d take the cape off to drive though, like any big ass winter coat
Poncho is cooler and you get to use your arms still
Ponchos are so great.
Unless you’re talking about wearing a plastic poncho and sandals.
Then you’re a big nerd. NERD!
Are socks included with the sandals?
Obviously.
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Who says we don’t? I wore one out tonight.
That looks like a hooded jacket…
M8! You just payed $160 for a hoodie without a zipper!
Edit: it does look pretty sick though.
Those are all jackets, 100%. Doesn’t matter what the seller calls them, those are clearly jackets because sleeves.
You seem like an absolutely charming and fun person to spend time around.
Very much so, thanks for noticing though: It’s always lovely to hear.
Cool jacket by the way.
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As an avid cloak lover, I can attest that the reasons others state about practicality are pretty much spot on. That said, my 3/4 round wool cloak with a cotton liner is the warmest and coziest winter garment I have ever owned. I have three of them, and a lighter blue velvet one for dressy occasions in spring/fall.
Getting into a car with a big cloak though is tougher than with a normal coat. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not a problem, but it does take some practice! I do love my cloaks and I would love to see them make a comeback though!
Do you have a preferred make or place to obtain said cloaks? As someone who has always loved them
I do actually. These are my favorite: https://www.tgertoggs.com/pages/cloaks_hats.shtml
Ah they don’t ship to my country :(
I did look up cloak and dagger as well! I was drooling over this one: https://www.cloakmakers.com/5130-black-cloak-w-purple-pattern-purple-moleskin.html
I don’t know if I could pull off the black but damn is that thing gorgeous.
Wear whatever you want.
People mostly used to wear cloaks to keep the elements off of them.
Lots of mud and dirt from horseback riding back then–also rain.
We’re indoors a lot more now. Most of us don’t work outside and our transportation, mainly automobiles, are protected from the elements.
As the function became irrelevant, so did the clothing choice.
Yeah, the function for sure; along with overcoats and any outermost layer. Chivalry maintained men walked on the curb side bc horse shit and piss flowed freely in the gutters and the coat prevented splash. Same for commuter trains and subways. Nasty shit all over before electric.
A lot of superstition like bad luck putting your hat on the bed came from this. It was dirty, bring it home and you got sick from it. Logical superstition.
I’ll catch myself feeling superstitious, check myself with science, then realize it’s gross and get my nasty ass outside hat off my bed.
