It’s simply bizarre that Labour have chosen this hill to die on. After the SC ruling, Labour should have come out and said: that given the ambiguity in the law has been resolved but in a way that doesn’t account for trans people, we will be bringing forward updated legislation to close the gap. Sort of like the whole Civil Partnership vs Marriage idiocy.
The basic principle should be: don’t be a cunt. And then work from there.
careful, this could be just what reform need to revive their leave the ECHR bullshit.
This is the stupidest culture war, fought with the stupidest people on one side and a marginalized group that really just would like to live a life without fear on the other. Not even “without fear,” because apparently that’s asking too much. Just no state-sanctioned fear.
I just see stupid and crazy people on both sides at this point tbh
Go fuck yourself back to Facebook.
Oh yes the both sides argument…
I can see how all of those trans people are offending you with their… Checks notes… Desire to exist.
Truly we live in a mad world.
There are THREE sides in the trans debate (besides not interested in it).
You are either pro trans rights, anti trans rights, or a russian bot sent here to pretend to be one of those previous two and drag the debate into the sewer as much as possible.
The pro trans rights crowd calls me “anti trans rights” or a “bigot” and the anti trans rights crowd calls me “pro trans rights” or a “groomer”
You’re just a bigot, and like all bigots, an idiot as well.
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Nah, I’ve seen some be completely mental and threaten to burn down their GP or be absolutely unhinged. I’ve also seen people be unhinged and want them to kill themselves. It’s madness.
So you claim to have seen evidence.
That trans people come as sane or insane as everyone else.
Not sure you are making any point at all.
I’ve also seen insane trans-critical people as well, with a severe lack of compassion.
I could repost my comment in a conservative group and get the same backlash but for calling people who are critical of transgenderism insane.
As I say. Every group of humanity comes in all levels of mental health.
Non of it makes any difference to this debate. Other then to normalise trans behaviour.
I thought the whole thing with gender dysphoria is that it wasn’t normal?
You’ve actually seen trans people, in person, threaten to burn down a surgery building? I doubt this.
As for people being suicidal, that’s a known problem which happens as a result of being trans in a country that wants to deny them support, which is exactly why trans people are trying to get recognition in the first place. Denying that isn’t exactly going to make their mental health any better, and they can’t be blamed for that.
I didn’t see it in person. But I did see it online.
You have not seen people trying to burn down their GP. Quit making shit up.
As for being suicidal… That sounds like a pretty good reason to give people access to the medical care they actually need.
Imagine for a minute that you are a man and were in a car accident. During this accident your dick was cut off.
Surgical techniques exist to reattach your dick but the law says you must now live as a woman. You find a doctor who is willing to reattach your penis, something that you don’t have an infinite amount of time to do because it’s rapidly becoming a non-viable penis.
Suddenly, some asshole goes on television and says that people who want to have their penises reattached are pedophiles and any doctor who helps them is a monster. They put your picture on the news, they tell everybody that you’re trying to pretend you’re not a woman now.
How much of that do you think you need to put up with before you get pretty fucking pissed off?
Who’s insane here? Who’s acting irrationally? Who is the aggressor?
I’m a bog standard model of human male but I think if I were put in that situation I’d be weighing the value of the life of a person who would deny me my own body.
How about you quit gaslighting me?
I don’t necessarily have anything against sex reassignment surgery. It’s a person’s body, and if it’s what medical experts think is best for their immediate mental wellbeing, then I think it’s fair, although should be a last resort as it’s permanent.
I am aware some people do get the sex reassignment surgery and it doesn’t help them, turns out it was a different problem and they just persuaded themselves that it would be what would fix their problem (which occasionally is other traumas or underlying self hatred). I’ve also known people who’ve pulled out of transitioning due to them realising it wasn’t the solution to their problem.
I’ve also seen people who’ve tried everything, tried to live a normal life, but the dysphoria also got them down.
I do think there should be research done into seeing if there is a cure or therapies for gender dysphoria, and use sex changes as a last resort. but right now, sex changes appear to be one of the most effective options if someone is truly experiencing dysphoria. But again, they should have everything else ruled out first (instead of the headcase that I referenced in the video above, sounds like she first self diagnosed online, started self treating, THEN went to her GP demanding further treatment for an illness they hadn’t even been diagnosed with. That’s like the time I had symptoms of anaemia and people were suggesting I skip the GP and get iron tablets, when it turned out to be a folate deficiency, because I went to a GP)
I’m aware of the arguments for and against the trans debate. I’ve been often changing my opinions on it, back and forth. But I hate the climate around it where you have to conform to a specific viewpoint or get labelled as a “bigot”.
To both sides, what I’d say: If you believe me to be a monster for not 100% agreeing with you, then just conclude that I’m a monster already. I’m sick of playing these games, trying to change my opinion to appease others. I’d rather we would focus on supporting people and preserving life and what’s best for them.
They could resolve this with more legislation. The 2010/11 equalities act is ambiguous the way it is written so Labour need to pass more legislation to resolve it. “Use the disabled toilets” is not a satisfactory answer.
(aside: I keep messing up with parsing the acronyms ECHR and EHRC.)
I doubt this will lead to anything positive, possibly even starmer aping conservative’s desire to leave human rights bodies altogether, but I wish them luck all the same.
Let’s go! I hope it is successful.
