They mainly blame it on the sun or they just see it as “natural warming” just the way ice ages have existed.
For example: here’s one of Germany’s leading right wing populists (and inbred nazi descendant wannabe noble) Beatrix von Storch saying: “Well maybe we need to tell the sun to shine less!” when being asked about how to tackle climate change.
nore worried about the fact that of those that answered that global warming isn’t occurring, only 50% still think that it doesn’t exist in a different question. did the other 50% just suddenly reconsider?
The other 50% believe in global cooling.
And they’ll be correct once the currents in the Atlantic collapse in the 30’s.
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There are far top few meaningful differences between Republicans and Democrats, but stuff like this shows the base (not the leaders) of one party is at least amenable to reality, and the other largely isn’t.
I’ve known a guy for like 20 years, currently in his 60s, who firmly believes that anthropogenic climate change is entirely false.
He has a bachelors degree in physics, a bachelors degree in mathematics, and a Ph.D in economics. He’s written a handful of high level Econ textbooks, he’s worked as a professor off and on at 3 or 4 respected universities here in the US. He was most recently employed at a supply chain consulting firm, making an ungodly amount of money.
By all accounts, he’s an extremely smart, well-educated, well-read guy. But holy shit if that boomer isn’t constantly reposting the most transparently fake anti-science nonsense on his Facebook page. Think, “New research proves that Climate Change is a liberal myth” - The Religious Conservative Storm.
Just demonstrates how it doesn’t matter how educated someone is if they don’t think critically about information that confirms their expectations.
I know a highly educated seismologist who makes his work his hobby and has been an enthusiast for nature-related pursuits for decades…
And he thinks people have next to zero contributions to the climate. His go-tos are volcanoes and sunspots to explain climate changes, and he blames, I kid you not, the “big green energy hoax” for conflicting data.
There be people like that. My dad was a professor for applied mathematics at a top level university in Germany, published books etc. Nowadays he works as an indepentdent business consultants and is insanely successful on an international level. And while he does believe climate change is real he is very, uhm, alternative when it comes to health and nutrition. Think fruit juices and nutrition supplements and sun doesn’t cause cancer and “holding a lazer to your heel makes your rotten teeth unrotten” kinda stuff. (Didn’t work.) Watches weird ass youtube videos by “experts”. Me, having a M.Sc. in Nutrition and Biomedicine, I am in no way an expert like these people or himself when it comes to nutrition, health and medicine, according to him. People can be extremely smart and talented in some parts of their lives and be completely bonkers in others.
Yeah sounds very similar. And weird coincidence, but the guy I’m talking about is also German. Lives in the US now, but his parents don’t speak English, he came here as a kid I believe.
My dad isn’t German but he only became obsessed with alt health and nutrition once he moved to Germany… Coincidence? I think not - there must be something in the air here that turns people crazy
How weird. My sample size is now 2, I think I’m ready to draw a conclusion and only consider evidence that confirms it going forward.
That reminds me how my father loves to tell the story of a doctor who wasn’t convinced that sun causes skin cancer so he went to India for a year and didn’t wear sunscreen once and lo and behold he didn’t get cancer so he disproved that sun causes cancer.
Again, my dad is a mathematician. Granted, analytical and computer algebra, not statistics, but dear Lord.
Well, science doesn’t care about their opinions.
We have a scientist LARPer in this thread begging for Bitcoin, right now. Does that count?
why is the “climate change doesn’t exist” bar for the second question so much smaller than the “no” bar for the first question? am I an idiot or does that just not make any sense?
Death to America
Literally anything done to any fossil fuel lobbyist or executive is an act of collective self-defense.
You heard it, folks! I’m inviting them to a $10K per head campaign dinner where I will sternly suggest they explore the possibility of researching a serious scaling back (5 bps!) of coal mining.
For our self-defense
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I have a PhD in particle physics from a top 10 university in the world, and I don’t believe climate change is a problem. And I’m also not interested in discussing it (just so that no one comes with bs talking points, I’ve seen enough). I’m just saying this so that you don’t stumble on your own delusional bubble too much.
You don’t believe in science. You believe in TV. You haven’t read a single peer reviewed paper on the matter, let alone papers that have a different point of view. So spare me your condescending bullshit.
Now go ahead and downvote me so that you can sleep better at night after having excluded me, the infidel. Just remember that many people out there have degrees, educated and read 100 times on the matter than you and disagree with your delusions on the matter. Enjoy four faith in TV.
I have a PhD in particle physics from a top 10 university in the world
no you don’t
This is good bait but I almost totally believe it, the kind of person who spends a decade being told they’re a very smart math boy at a top university is extremely susceptible to believing every whim of theirs is genuinely brilliant
More engineers buy into cults, per capita, than the general population. Being told they are the smartest boy all day makes them unable to consider if they’ve been duped.
I don’t think it’s impossible for that climate denialist chud to have some sciencey degree (though absolutely no evidence has been presented so far), but even if one was present, that doesn’t actually mean anything when it comes to horrible takes and general edgelord nonsense.
Today is your lucky day. Since I’m in a good mood, let’s see if you’ll put your money where your mouth is.
I will reveal my real name, my PhD thesis, with a link to the university linking to my thesis. Here’s the bet: if I can prove it (that I have a PhD in particle physics from a prestigious university of top 10), you pay me one whole fucking bitcoin. If not, I’ll pay you one bitcoin.
We’ll find a betting platform (of your choice if you wish) where we deposit these bitcoins into a multisig address with a referee. One of us wins based on the bet.
Are you gonna put your money where your mouth is? Or a dick where you learn not to open your mouth next time?
What do you say?
Offering a bet in pyramid scheme money does not make you more credible
See? The moment you’re required to be responsible for a word you said, you ran away… hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha.
Talk is easy. This is why climate change is mainstream, because dumb people with big mouths make their dumb opinions sound real with fake confidence. Now you know what your confidence is worth. Class dismissed.
I’m not the person who doubted you have a PhD. I’m fully aware that dumb, obnoxious assholes can also get gold stars.
Perfect! I am an asshole, proudly so. Though if I were dumb I wouldn’t be where I am today. So your opinion means very little to me. Nighty night.
being dumb is exactly how you got where you are.
having a PhD doesn’t mean you think critically or can evaluate literature anymore. and it definitely does not give you license to kick out of your coverage, like you’re trying desperately to do here…
having your little credential just means your committee wanted you gone after 5 years of being an asshole and didn’t want to fuck the stats of whatever shit tier program’s orifice you oozed out of.
I am an asshole, proudly so.
You’re a living breathing cliche of internet people from, like, 2003.
Though if I were dumb I wouldn’t be where I am today.
Lol rageposting on an obscure internet forum?
Not sure if this is a bit or if you’re a world-class example of people so specialized that they have deluded themselves into believing they are experts in everything because of how special their specialization made them feel in college.
I have a PhD in particle physics
What does that have to do with your claim to be an authority on the reality of climate change?
At least I’m a freaking physicist. I understand statistics and math. You believe freaking ecologists for crying our loud! Anyone who talks for climate change is believed, and anyone who is against it is questioned. Wtf does Bill Nye or Tyson have to do with climate change? Yet somehow no one tells them “stfu, this isn’t your field”. They’re just “TV”. No one even comes close to researching this matter before spitting out a dumb opinion to avoid peer pressure.
But suddenly when someone disagrees, now they lose all their credentials and it isn’t their specialty.
This game is being played on a global scale. So don’t play the game “specialty and field”, because a monkey agreeing with you can become an authoritative source from what I saw. All you have to do is silence everyone who disagrees with you. I’m not silenced yet, and I have an opinion, and no one has to give a shit for all I care.
At least I’m a freaking physicist
So far your qualifications involve claiming you’re a “freaking physicist” and then begging for internet funny money.
a monkey agreeing with you
I know you’re a cryptocurrency rube already but spare us all your NFT collection, please.
Hey now, I want to see how much slurp juice all his apes have
Well, I don’t need to beg. I have enough money for decades to come, unlike most people here who defend agendas made to make them poor forever. People who believe anything said on TV, and have big mouths with big confidence with zero responsibility. Exactly the kind of people who transmit bullshit to make themselves feel better and feel relevant in a world that discarded them like the pieces of nothing they deserve to be.
Enjoy being poor while defending every reason that made you poor. No sympathy from me.
Well, I don’t need to beg.
Yet you just begged for internet funny money and begged to be praised for your imaginary Le Science Degree at the same time.
Enjoy being poor while defending every reason that made you poor.
Yep, cryptocurrency rube detected.
LMAO god I love federation. i actually forgot people with their heads as far up their own asses as yours existed for a while there
I have a PhD in
physicsWolframAlphaI have a second question you say there are people who have read 100x more than us. Where is their work? Everything I can find says the climate change is real and it’s human caused.
This is proof that you only watch mainstream media and think you know everything. This is the problem. You never even considered researching the opposite opinion, and you think it just doesn’t exist.
And people wonder how censorship makes people more ignorant.
“Can I have a source?”
Uhhh uhhh well you won’t find any in MAINSTREAM NEWS!
Give it up man, you’re a joke
You were asked a simple question: “source?”
Dude, you don’t want sources. The moment I give you a name of a book showing you a different opinion, you’ll find a reason to skip it and use it to discredit whatever information in it without reading. I’m old enough and have seen that enough. It’s the same attitude I used to get when I discussed with religious people why their faith doesn’t make any sense.
Did you not understand the question?
“dO yOuR oWn ReSeArcH”
You didn’t understand my response.
You don’t have any sources, then.
I have an undergrad minor in sustainable energy systems engineering and they taught us how to look up ipcc reports. Whatever university you went to sucks dogshit if you didn’t get that far in your PhD program.
You can measure community’s IQ by how far down you have to scroll through “dumb republicans, amirite xdxdxd?” before you reach a post like this one. And that guy with gifs in every message is obnoxious as fuck.
