In todays episode of “Plex enshittifies” Plex employee breaks ToS.
Source: https://forums.plex.tv/t/fake-reviews-on-play-store-by-plex-staff/917736
In todays episode of “Plex enshittifies” Plex employee breaks ToS.
Source: https://forums.plex.tv/t/fake-reviews-on-play-store-by-plex-staff/917736
Well this thread is an absolute shitshow.
Jellyfin is great, but if you refuse to let yourself understand that Plex’s ease of setup for remote access is a point in its favour - especially when sharing with non-tech savvy people - then you’re just as bad as the supposed “Plex shills”.
Plex is well on the enshittification train, and I’ve always been a bit concerned about how private it may or may not be, but there’s absolutely no way I’d have been able to share a Jellyfin instance with my grandfather, especially as his dementia got worse.
I have had very old and non techie people setup Jellyfin. Putting a URL in a box is not actually rocket science. I thought it would be way harder but they did it.
idunno jellyfin was stupid easy to set up and works for me. Plex seems terrible.
I tried jellyfin but it isn’t even close to as a good as plex
The UI for Jellyfin is horrendous.
I don’t get that. Both display content and seem very similar. Now does Jellyfin have problems yes.
Same as my experience
Emby’s better than both, but jellyfin folks are probably going to crucify me for saying that.
jellyfin was a fork of emby anyway, its core framework is solid.
Emby has more of the plex-like polish, but it is more closed source than I would prefer to trust with my media, so I get by with Jellyfin. It works more than well enough fro my in-home media streaming and I still run plex for my remote users as I bought a plex pass way back at the start and I’m going to use it until I simply cant anymore… which seems to be rapidly approaching.
Can’t say me remote entry isnt working. Was streaming it from my phone in the firefox and chrome browser while on the go and also from my work pc.
Can’t imagine how easier one wants it to be in comparison (it’s literally like navigating to Youtube).
Samsung TVs have a Plex app, but not a Jellyfin one. Lots of people have Samsung TVs. I mean lots. Other modern TVs are likely the same, like Onn (at least the Roku TVs) last time I checked, and again they are all over. The ease-of-use factor really is a huge win for Plex.
Edit: Yes, Samsung Tizen models can try and sideload an app, but that’s not something the vast majority of people are ever going to even think about, let alone figure out how to accomplish.
Edit 2: Well shiver me timbers, Jellyfin’s on those Onn TV’s. TIL.
It’s not the same as a native app, but I use my Jellyfin instance on my Samsung TV via the internet browser. Scrolling is a bit of a hassle and 4K Streams apparently don’t work, but otherwise it works just fine
I believe the AndroidTV client is the only really actively developed client.
Using roku jellyfin app daily, but I agree the fact that jellyfins app hasnt been approved for tizen yet is a point against it
Is that on an Onn TV? I might have to go check it out again. Thanks!
Yeah its a cheap ass roku onn I got from a roommate. Worth a look. To my knowledge tizen is the only major platform jellyfin isnt on is tizen, and from what Ive read thats more on samsung than on jellyfin. Its been up to date and submitted for a while now it just hasnt been approved by samsung
Yeah, I get it. I just prefer the polish.
Always funny how anyone is crucified (on Lemmy) for using Windows or (how dare you) paid and/or free proprietary software.
Yet when it comes to something like Plex they always backpedal and either state that they don’t have something like that or it’s so convenient.
If one goes on a (F)OSS crusade at least be consistent… >:(
Has a time and place… But for the general person you can just put them in front of linux and they wouldn’t have any idea as long as they can see the chrome icon to get to facebook.
I can see that side of the discussion… Getting over the roadblock of installation… I’ve converted many people to Linux. My argument with people defending windows is that they always seem to think that “windows just works”… which it really doesn’t… or that linux sucks because of x, y, and z… and when I pull out a news article of windows having widespread issues because of “x” where x is literally the same x as they just said for linux… It’s cricket chirps all around.
Plex is convenient. It’s userbase is proof of that. Windows is convenient in that it comes pre-installed on the computer the user is using… but otherwise a user would be perfectly fine or even possibly have less issues on linux.
I don’t find that to be inconsistent.
As someone with lifetime Emby premium, I switched to Jellyfin.
Why?
Emby development is dead in the water. It works, it’s stable, but it’s treading water. And because it is partially closed source and not changing much the addon development community is not as robust. If you try it and it has what you want, it works just fine. But I want an active community making new features and developing add-ons and extending what I get out of it. I did not need premium to get a similar feature set out of Jellyfin, I am an experienced self hoster so I was able to switch without missing a beat. And now I can click a button to skip and intro, or the recap for the episode I just finished watching. And I can try the very large set of add-ons that are out there.
I as an arch using turbonerd absolutely love jellyfin and how I can make it do what I want.
I run plex too, because the support I’d have to provide to family members when they need a password reset, or the jellyfin app doesn’t work right on their new Hisense smart TV would be the death of me.
Not that bad. It’s been about the same for Plex maybe less. Have had lots of Plex isn’t working when their servers where down.
Yeah but I’ve always blamed plex for 10 years even if it’s my fault, so they default to it being a plex issue and don’t bother me!
This. Having the provide the support is what stops me from dropping plex entirely. I host jellyfin for the devices I control, and plex for my family and friends, all pointing to the same media.
How so?
If you (or a relative) can’t manage that, I’d be afraid to even let you handle a car or open a bank account.
Can’t imagine you relative doesnt also have to create a plex account somewhere to then be invited to the plex share or input the URL to request access.
For the record, I fucking hate Plex.
But this is a disingenuous simplification of where the gap is.
Me, my brother-in-law, and friend all share our libraries with the same elderly relatives.
The GAP is that great grandma has to log in/out between servers to find content that may or may not be on an individual server. Plex lets you search/aggregate from all sources without having to jockey credentials and servers.
It’s not a giant ask. I heard a fucking absolutely brain-dead take that “that would require a centralized server which is against Jellyfins core ideology”.
So, I dunno. Maybe it isn’t YOUR use case, but it’s MY use case. Doesn’t make me a shill. I’m still pissed as hell.
But don’t fucking pretend that there is feature parity when there isn’t, and don’t accuse me of being a shill just because Jellyfin literally doesn’t support my use case. I WISH it did. I HATE PLEX.
You’re responding to the same disingenuous argument you see all over Lemmy made by folks whose jobs are in the IT field.
That being said, why hate Plex? I’m sure, like me, you’re grandfathered in. Is it fucking new users? Sure. Sucks. Not everything is a battlefield, and they’ll eventually fuck me and then I will abandon them, it is what it is. But for now, the shit just always works with almost no tweaking from me. I really can’t ask for much more. Got my mom to watch The Wire because of Plex.
I stopped trying to use Plex years ago (like 10) when that shit was just painful… AND they wanted to charge me for the luxury of that pain.
I’m sure it got lots better, but it left such a bad taste in my mouth at the time I’ve gone without easy media watching instead, and tried all sorts of things.
Hopefully Jellyfin keeps improving. I’d rather donate to them every year than pay a sub to Plex.
Glad it’s worked for you though, and I mean that. When Plex worked for me, it was pretty good.
I joined Plex a little at the end of 23, but only really started adding content early last year. I’m sort of glad I didn’t buy the lifetime pass, given the recent changes.
I’ve been able to share it with so many people (including tech-unfriendly family members). I guess we’ll just have to see what happens next with Plex, unless jellyfin becomes easier to set up for us less experienced home server folks…
What does this mean? I just have one Jellyfin server I put stuff on
So grandma would need to switch between all three servers to access all content.
Ah okay so you have multiple servers. With only one central server stuff is pretty easy
Assuming you set it up for SSL, and you own and manage your own domain, and they’re using a computer. Easy. So for the 10% it’s cake.
How’s it look for the rest?
They won’t even get to the login screen.
All my relatives seem to have Hisense VIDAA TVs. There’s a plex app on the store. Jellyfin would require an external device like a Chromecast or HTPC to use it.
But now telling then it’s $3/month to watch my pirated movies? No bueno.
And on topic, I develop a commercial app and there is no way I am dropping a rating or review on it.
I don’t disagree with you, at all. But what’s the $3/mo subscription you’re talking about? I haven’t had a Chrome/Firestick/whatever since like 2012, so I’m out of the loop
It’s the “Plex Remote Watch Pass”. A new charge for something that used to be free. https://www.plex.tv/plans/
deleted by creator
I lol’d at this I won’t lie.
The individual who owns the server just needs the lifetime pass. People connecting to it doesn’t need to pay now.
Oh cool so you’re ok with opening ports on your server to the internet with no authentication. Good for you. Most of us with the technical knowledge of hosting a media server know better.
And Plex your opening 32400 not sure what your argument is.
What’s not authenticated? Run it through nginx and cloudflare, what exactly am I missing?
https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/5415
A reverse proxy won’t help (unless you’re doing authentication with it). A cloudflare tunnel would help, if it requires authentication.
Ah, let’s hope these get fixed then… 😬
Neither helps because jellyfin doesn’t work with auth in front of it. https://github.com/jellyfin/jellyfin/issues/13751
And any auth mechanism breaks EVERY app even if you implement one that doesn’t break the web UI. (short of VPN or other similar type of auth’d tunneling).
This is misinformation.
I run my jellyfin behind reverse proxy and use SSO pretty well. There is a OIDC plugin for jellyfin that just works with your preferred SSO.
Indeed Plex is easier to use, and manage all that for you, but this is self hosted community after all, there is smart people capable of running a reverse proxy and a proper SSO.
For the others, Plex indeed is forth paying for (?).
Sounds like it works fine in the scenario I was discussing.
Ah yes, single cherry picked sentence… Care to read the very next line? Where “unfortunately, […]”… Is that “shit doesn’t load right?” Weird.
Do you know of any apps that support basic auth input for jellyfin? No… Weird? What did I say again?
Oh right, I can just scroll up and read it.
I just tested and was able to get to the login page with an nginx proxy in front of jellyfin. A login attempt causes nginx to throw an error, but jellyfin itself seems fine. If I disable http basic auth, I’m able to log in and play video. This looks like an nginx configuration issue, and if I cared enough to actually get it working I’m sure it would.
Oh no, Chinese hackers know I only like the first 8 seasons of The Simpsons!
They would, I suppose, were my Jellyfin available to anyone living outside of my own state via geoblocking. You can’t even connect to it from the country I host the proxy from, not that they’d do anything if they could, all of the data shared is read-only.
I would’ve just let my setup be open, but, like you said, most of us with the technical knowledge of hosting a media server know better.
edit: chill with the downvotes, lads. Season 9 isn’t completely terrible.