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To be America's enemy is dangerous, but to be its ally is fatal

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To be America's enemy is dangerous, but to be its ally is fatal

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      Raped children? I read a lot of western news and I never heard about that.

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        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

        The report:

        https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2022/09/update-chair-independent-international-commission-inquiry-ukraine-51st-session

        In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years. The Commission has documented cases in which children have been raped, tortured, and unlawfully confined. Children have also been killed and injured in indiscriminate attacks with explosive weapons.

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          UN back at it again with “we have witness testimony but no evidence of this adversary of the US doing horrifying acts”

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            Or:

            "We have found the evidence to be nonexistent, the case to be exaggerated, the timing and backers to be suspect

            But US media needs a soundbite so here’s a short dismissal and a long condemnation"

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          I followed the sources they link and the ones those link and found that the best substantiation they have is “according to the accounts collected by some NGOs”.

          Here’s some more up-to-date info regarding a previous ICJ case against Russia, so we can weigh up how much these accusations might be based on fact. Spoiler alert: every accusation is a confession. I’ll quote a relevant bit to your atrocity propaganda peddling:

          The Court has held that certain materials, such as press articles and extracts from publications, are regarded ‘not as evidence capable of proving facts.’

          And this one, regarding the reliability of testimonies presented by Ukraine.

          The ICJ was also highly condemnatory of the quality of witnesses and witness evidence produced by Kiev to support these charges[…] Statements attesting to this were “collected many years after the relevant events” and “not supported by corroborating documentation”

          I don’t doubt there must be unspeakable shit happening, there’s been a war for so long that monsters are bound to take part. But I’ll hold my judgement as to how systematic it is until evidence is presented (which it absolutely hasn’t been), not just claims by notorious liars who said the same shit about Hamas without any evidence and no pushback from these very same publications.

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          According to the report though there have just been some cases of Russian soldiers doing it. There doesn’t appear to be the weaponised use of sexual violence a la Isreal, but ya wars are always like this. I’ll never understand the people who simp for them.

          Edit: Before any one wants to call me out for minimising SA

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

          Literally every war ever is full of SA

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            And the report provides… zero evidence. How come there’s plenty of evidence for Ukraine’s crimes (always discredited as Russia propaganda) but Ukraine can just say shit and it’s up to everyone else to prove they’re lying?

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          Fucked up. War sucks

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        Here you go https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

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          Yes it’s been posted. Thanks

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      Do you have a source that Putin sent soldiers to rape children?

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        Here’s one https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

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          So, just NBC news doing the usual and boosting baseless claims like it did about Hamas and beheaded babies? Do y’all even read the shit you post or do you just skim for a headline that matches what you want to say?

          The report cites no evidence and only points to “anonymous sources” (how surprising). NBC also doesn’t cite any evidence and points to other articles posted by themselves, one of which says are in the process of collecting the evidence but:

          Experts worry that investigations could be less efficient and that some evidence could be mishandled or not make its way to investigative teams with the International Criminal Court and the Prosecutor General’s Office in Ukraine

          Really convenient. Excellent standards of proof as always. No wonder the ICJ has denounced the lawfare of Ukraine.

          The Court has held that certain materials, such as press articles and extracts from publications, are regarded ‘not as evidence capable of proving facts.’

          Indeed.

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            https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/037/31/pdf/g2403731.pdf

            Here is the report right from the UN.

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          That article doesn’t contain anything about Putin sending soldiers to rape children. Did you post the wrong link?

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      Libs really do just have the one line for every enemy of the State Department don’t y’all? First it was Hamas, now it’s Russia, and y’all never bring a source.

      Probably because you know once you do bring one we’ll let you know the article only points to credible anonymous sources as always.

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        You need a source that Russia is invading Ukraine? bruh just ask Putin

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          You know very well I need a source that contains any evidence to the claims that Russians are systematically raping children. But it’s easier for libs to fight windmills than it is to walk back jingoist stances they readily swallowed without any evidence and repeat as fact.

          Us in the global south know that white westerners like to paint their opponents as monstrous animals at the slightest provocation to justify their genocidal drives. So either prove your accusations or shut the fuck up.

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          Oh look, holocaust trivialization

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            Calling a Nazi a Nazi is not “Holocaust trivialization”.

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              Yeah, and what you did was Holocaust trivialization

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                No, I’m not. I also say that Israel is a Nazi country doing Nazi shit, because it is. You’re speaking in bad faith to call it “Holocaust trivialization” because nothing I’m saying trivializes the Holocaust, you’re just playing defense for Nazis.

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                  Take it up with the mods then, holocaust trivializer 🤷.

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                    If I call Netanyahu a Nazi and someone defends him by accusing me of trivializing the Holocaust when I call Netanyahu a Nazi, then I’m gonna assume they’re probably a Nazi.

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        https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

        UN panel

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