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    1614 is the older term in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

    And you are using it again. Because the term was coined by English oppressors, than it shouldn’t true… Always the same answer to everything, my beloved dictator/political system/whatever is not really terrible, because I can point to something even worse

    Let’s see, “colonials are not as terrible, because what the Nazis did, and Jews were white people” Same as your reasoning.

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      Whataboutism is only sometimes tu quoque.

      And you are using it again. Because the term was coined by English oppressors, than it shouldn’t true…

      Christ- this is deeply unserious. Do you understand how the British used it to deflect from the idea that IRA violence and British colonialism were connected? The British were saying “it is a logical fallacy to talk about our violence that creates the resistance, we are talkng about how the resistance is using violence and how that means they’re bad”

      Always the same answer to everything, my beloved dictator/political system/whatever is not really terrible, because I can point to something even worse

      Do you see all violence as divorced from other violence?

      Let’s see, “colonials are not as terrible, because what the Nazis did, and Jews were white people” Same as your reasoning.

      The Nazis were a colonial power, Jesus Christ, Mary, and Joseph, did you learn nothing about fascism in school?

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        By the holocaust Germany lost all their colonies, after WW1, so again, I don’t how this is related here. Jews were living within Germany for centuries. And the point was it doesn’t matter in relation to other attrocities.

        Russia was also a colonial power, and one of the last which is still one, ask a Yakut guy or someone from the northern Caucasus. So it should be also added there?

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          You do understand the whole fascism thing relied on getting new colonies, right? They even did the whole manifest destiny thing.

          And the point was it doesn’t matter in relation to other attrocities.

          The point is that they’re in the same bucket as other colonial atrocities

          Russia was also a colonial power, and one of the last which is still one, ask a Yakut guy or someone from the northern Caucasus. So it should be also added there?

          Weren’t you the one complaining about whataboutism? Also yes, we can view the Russian empire and the Russian federation as imperialist projects.