• anachrohack@lemmy.world
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        1 day ago

        It’s not a normative statement. I don’t necessarily think it’s good. I just don’t think people can be happy being useless

        • I Cast Fist@programming.dev
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          19 hours ago

          Define “being useless”. It certainly seems that “being useless”, to you, it is either “not working” or “not creating monetary value”, which would be super ironic given that there are many jobs around the world that make the person feel useless or worse

          I’d say that anyone that feels the need to define themselves “by their role” has no clue on who they are or can be, needing the rest of society to direct them

          • anachrohack@lemmy.world
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            18 hours ago

            Everyone defines themselves by their role. If you’re only living for yourself, not helping anyone or doing anything for anyone else, why live?

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              17 hours ago

              Everyone defines themselves by their role

              I don’t and I bet many people don’t as well. I define myself by what I know, who I know, what I believe, like and dislike, have done and can do. Roles can be assigned, but they only serve as oversimplifications of what’s expected of people. The role of “mother” only means that a woman has one or more children. Whether said children are blood related, adopted, whether she’s a “good” or “bad” mother, whether she’s married, widow, single, etc etc, is up in the air.

              Your second argument there doesn’t need roles to be answered either, or do you think only specific roles can help people? Life isn’t an RPG with clear-cut classes

        • Grimy@lemmy.world
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          19 hours ago

          People are being harsh with the downvotes but I get what you mean. I get bored and restless doing nothing productive for long lengths of time.

          I’m also guessing you don’t mean a 40 hour grind where all the profit goes to a small group of individuals in your example.

          If I was told I could work or study but didn’t have to and it was public profits, I’d probably still end up doing a 20-25 hours a week in something.

          You are a bit harsh with it though. I wouldn’t say just family and hobbies is hollow.

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              22 hours ago

              I was paraphrasing and trying to be nice. Fine, you didn’t say humans yearn for the workplace. You said humans existentially require the workplace.

              I think if AI replaces humans in the workplace, even with UBI, humans would cease to exist shortly thereafter as our lives will have become meaningless

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      2 days ago

      That’s a sign of toxic culture, not of men wanting to be defined by what value they can bring.

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        2 days ago

        *monetary value
        (in relation to toxic culture)

        (bcs value that people actuality bring to society often isn’t fairly valued in terms of money or even not at all)

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      2 days ago

      Even if so - the definition of oneself is what that person gets paid for, not what that person enjoys doing (or even is just good at)?

      (Especially with jobs, folk on LinkedIn will describe their job as anything but their actual everyday job, or lie/exaggerate about their job when with other people - so not even that “role” is true.)

      … like, lmao, except if it’s like a weird grinding kink or something.