Leaked Zoom all-hands: CEO says employees must return to offices because they can’t be as innovative or get to know each other on Zoom::Zoom CEO Eric Yuan discussed the benefits of in-person work in a leaked meeting.
I don’t want to ‘get to know’ my coworkers. I’m not there for friendships, or a pseudo family. I’m there to do a job and be paid for it.
But, this might just be my introvert side.
nope! It’s not just an introvert thing! I work with extroverts that have actual friends OUTSIDE work they do not miss office work either. I won’t lie and say it’s all roses, but WFH is way better than the alternative and blaming the extroverts isn’t the problem. THere is indeed a third more insane human outside the intro/extrovert spectrum, the officevert. or something.
I don’t get corporate blokes.
They spend their whole working hours finding ways to increase profits by reducing costs everywhere, to the detriment of the company even. Then we finally give them an easy way to reduce costs that make the employees happy, by removing the need for real estate. And they do a complete 180° to not do so?
Even if they have a lease of multiple years, not having to heat/cool the building nor pay the electricity is still cheaper.
Is it really about micromanagement?
Right? They are also losing the opportunity to hire top talent from remote locations. I guess we found something that is more important to them than profits: their ego.
an easy way to reduce costs that make the employees happy
That’s the problem, right there.
I think the issue is that they fear giving workers too much freedom. With that newfound freedom, they may start realizing that they can demand more
They can’t just reduce their costs, because they’re locked into contracts and/or the corp real estate market is in the trash can
I’d be willing to bet sunk cost fallacy does play a big part, as a result, but I also think senior leadership there just struggles to manage remotely and thus they assume others do too.
Zoom CEO says that his companies product is trash.
“No, no, you misunderstood! I’m just terrible at my job!"
Why not both?
Wow, just wow. I liked Zoom when it was an upstart company making good tools for remote work When it got big, ugh.
I mean, scientifically speaking, they’re not wrong. Physical contact with another person causes trust to grow because it causes oxytocin secretion.
But it’s still funny that the owner of a video calling company is telling people to go back to the office.
The number of jobs I’ve missed out on and lost exclusively because I’m not normative enough to tell milquetoast jokes around a water cooler with a bunch of people I know two facts about but treat like my best friend numbers in the 100s.
Fuck all these people trying to force the old ways forever just so they can exercise their social capital upon the rest of us.
man i just spent 30m this morning telling jokes to my remote coworker over slack, I’ve seen him only once in my life, according to this CEO I couldn’t have possibly gotten to know him.
Funny watching the CEOs trying to do the verbal splits, coming up with excuses where it’s just “waah we’re paying for an office that nobody uses :(”
we have nothing to lose but our commutes
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Why tf is his personal fortune still 200b??? Deam what if he’s sabotaging his fortune so that he can keep making way to much money in different projects. Without people freaking out cuz he has 500b, the only what to do that would be in fact to tank a couple of companies in a way that seems not accidental.
sabotage your wealth to go generate new wealth
Is this really a thing you think people do?
without people freaking out
Why would he care?
Well I’ve seen a pretty big, eat the rich support base. And as the wealth gap between classes is increasing to early industrial levels. I’m pretty sure it would be a safe bet it will be bigger ?(not 100%sure tho more like 60%)
Also yes ofc, there all types of illegal moves you can make to manipulate the stock market. He did it before with tweets, until the SEC’s warnings.
If he’s trying to get a gov contract with space X that suddenly increases his wealth to astronomical levels there would be a blowback. Especially if we get poorer.
Soo yhe, tank one of the companies would be a way to solve it.
I’ve seen a pretty big each the rich support base
Not big enough to do anything or to be taken seriously. Bud Light was hurt more by white trash than the CEO of fucking Zoom will ever be hurt by “eat the rich”
Also this is not about Elon Musk, at all. Did you post on the wrong article? That would make your above post make more sense.
I’m pretty sure I didn’t or that I’m strabic. My bad XD, sorry, it was a valid point just missused
Not sure where you’re getting your numbers. He’s worth 3.4 billion dollars. Unless you’re talking in yen, which would make him worth about 500b yen.
Yo wtf Google him… I’m not even answering this shitty comment. Or at least elaborate cuz what you said may not be what you think you meant
CEO of Zoom is called Eric S Yuan. He’s 53 years old, has 3 kids and net worth of 3.4 billion US dollars in 2023.
Maybe I’m not the guy who needs to try Google lol
Yep yep, my bad, I’m talking about Musk. Well that was dumb
Socialization is always brought up as an excuse not to allow WFH. The thing is though, replacing real socialization with work fucking blows. Talking to a coworker to get the latest TPS report isn’t socialization. It’s work. The only time you do any real socialization is after work ends. And there’s nothing stopping you from going out to dinner with coworkers when you work from home.
I never socialized with work people before COVID.
I don’t know, the fact that 4 of the 5 other members on my team live at least 2 time zones away from me keeps me from socializing with them after work ends.
(I do not want to leave this job, fwiw.)
Very fair. That said, going into the office isn’t going to help that.
CEO can’t even eat its own dog food. How pathetic
Doesn’t matter what you think, Big techs ceos are laughing their ass off every time their products gets mentioned and reach the frontpage. Purge their ads and remove their visibility
Maybe people can just use a different video calling program if the CEO of the company doesn’t like people using it.
a different video calling program
What happened to Skype? Did it just become the basis of Teams?
Skype and Lync had a baby called Teams.
And that baby should have been aborted
I have no problems with teams. Not sure why everyone hates it. If youre already in an AD/Azure environment and use 365 I dont see why you wouldnt use it.
Your not wrong. But hot take: it’s better than slack.
It’s a tad more complicated:
- Skype is still Skype
- but Skype Enterprise is just a skin strapped over the og Lync (which sucks an order of magnitude more that a black hole)
Team is a new product developped from scratch.- Team is an overhaul of sharepoint, I stand corrected.
Every now and then Teams breaks and shows it’s just a thin layer over SharePoint
Thanks for jogging my memory, I corrected my comment.
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Hey, I need to expand my lease.
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it is X amount of money
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What if I commit 10 years
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it is X/2
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Deal!
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Oh, he reduced costs and increased footprint. He is a genius!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/zoom-offices-hybrid-remote-work-11661977375
- Well. Out workers are remote. What the hell do we do with the office?
- Eeerrrrr. Ok let people have fun.
- But we are starting to need ways of saving costs. What do we do?
- The plan was always to return to office.
- Let’s do that, then.
Older than life. A situation changes and somebody whose personal interests are over the groups interests.
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Ya know, I’m not super happy with my salary (they’re really bad at keeping up with inflation), but … the promise of permanent WFH (we are actively getting rid of our last office, and hiring fully remote) with ability to live in ~half of the states without salary adjustment is basically keeping me complacent for now.
At first, I thought this was an Onion story
