• ℬ𝒶𝓃𝒶𝓃𝒶@communick.news
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    19 hours ago

    I disagree since I think censorship can be desired when combatting hate speech. Maybe we just disagree how exactly we use the word ‘censorship’.

    • SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today
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      3 hours ago

      You are addressing the wrong problem. You’re focusing on the symptom rather than the disease.

      Fighting hate speech rather than hatred itself only strengthens the hatred. As soon as you say “you mustn’t say that” you validate the hatred and give it power. Look at any counterculture, positive or negative. Trying to suppress it only validates it, gives it legitimacy as being important enough for the establishment to want to suppress, and if the people who might support the hatred already don’t like the people who would suppress the hate speech, you’ve just poured fuel on the fire.

      The problem to be fixed isn’t hate speech, it’s hatred. It’s a tougher problem to solve, but a much more important one that you will actually get a productive effect by solving it.

    • theneverfox@pawb.social
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      9 hours ago

      No, the community needs to cyber bully them off the platform. They need to feel rejection for their words, not censorship. Censorship lets them frame themselves as the victim as they seek out a smaller echo chamber on the fringes. They need to learn their words will turn the community against them

      We still have to live with them. We can’t ignore them or silence them - we have to correct them

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      18 hours ago

      Who would you have define hate speech in the US? SCOTUS?

      Many citizens may agree on the definition, but I wouldn’t trust our government to draw those lines.

      • ddh@lemmy.sdf.org
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        15 hours ago

        Many countries have working anti-hate speech laws. It’s not really a big problem for freedom of speech in those countries.

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          6 hours ago

          *Freedom of Expression

          We don’t have Freedom of Speech, but we do have Freedom of Expression. Important difference, even though it may freak out some Americans.

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          10 hours ago

          Except for the countries that have anti-hate laws that are deliberately vague and specifically used to jail anyone who is disliked by the government. China and Russia come to mind as examples, but I’m sure they aren’t the only ones.

          Besides hate-speech, I’m not sure how much should be censored really. China does a lot of censoring to ‘protect’ their citizens from everything, I’m not sure this would be a good thing even if that really was a goal.

          And protecting children from traumatising content looks like another good thing to do, but under that banner I usually see governments doing whatever they want without caring about children past using their image.

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          15 hours ago

          Those countries don’t have partisan polarization propaganda preschoolers writing their legislation.

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            9 hours ago

            While often better than in the US, you shouldn’t overestimate the state of democracy in other countries.

            A lot of the far right parties in Europe are successfully copying the polarization tactics from the US.