NEW YORK (AP) — John Grisham, Jodi Picoult and George R.R. Martin are among 17 authors suing OpenAI for “systematic theft on a mass scale,” the latest in a wave of legal action by writers concerned that artificial intelligence programs are using their copyrighted works without permission.

  • Ulu-Mulu-no-die@lemm.ee
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    downloading pirated material is perfectly legal and it’s just the uploading of the pirated material that’s a breach of copyright

    Not sure if you just worded it wrong or you’re confusing piracy with copyright.

    Anyway, piracy involves circumventing a protection system to get something for free instead of paying for it. DVDs for example not only contain copyrighted material, they also have copy protection systems to avoid unauthorized distribution, downloading is illegal as much as uploading since you’re getting a copy on which the protection system has been broken on purpose.

    Copyright violation, on the other hand, happens only if you publish something you didn’t make without the authorization of the original author, so downloading copyrighted material - that doesn’t have any protection system - is perfectly legal, uploading it is not.

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      I think their point was that there are countries where piracy (or circumventing copy protection) isn’t illegal and only copyright laws exist. Thus downloading pirated stuff isn’t inherently illegal.

      In some countries the copy protection removal isn’t dealt with in any way and thus it’s not inherently forbidden, in some it’s actually outright permitted by law in some situations. (personal use, education,…) Same applies to tools for copy protection circumvention.

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        Not being dealt with is not the same as not being illegal. I live in EU, piracy is illegal, as in there are laws against it, but noone will come after you if you (as a common citizen) download pirated movies or software.

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          Laws across Europe are not uniform. Last time I’ve checked, there were a couple of countries where downloading for personal use was not illegal.

          IIRC Spain, Poland were such countries? Maybe Switzerland? That’s on top of countries where it’s technically illegal but not enforced.

          There are probably more countries around the world with similar laws or with no laws regulating downloads. But I’m on my phone so can’t look it up.

          Feel free to correct me.

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          but noone will come after you if you (as a common citizen) download pirated movies or software.

          As an EU ‘common’ citizen in Germany, I can assure you that you most certainly will be gone after for downloading any and all copyrighted material.

          A single episode of a TV series once cost me 1500€ when I forgot to activate my VPN.

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      Bibliotik, the site Books3 is from, regularly updates and has torrents to software specifically for removing the copy protection from ebooks.

      I wonder if part of the lawsuit is about the fact that most of the books on Bibliotik had their copy protection removed before being uploaded.