No I don’t see it and neither is it my intention to make anything racist out of it. I don’t have any problems with people who are another race than I am - rather the opposite, I think other cultures are very interesting.
I just see it as a funny coincidence that there are 3 different races and if you rotate once to the right, it will be the same race/color together. It’s just coincidence and that’s what makes it funny. Not some evil intention behind it :) and then it’s funny that someone sees it and makes a meme out of it.
I understand your point of view… I hear that your intention wasnt to provoke or to encourage hatred.
Yet, the very notion that there would be “races” here is err… a very definition of “racism” (ie. who sees things according to supposed “races”)… there is one race, the Human kind… the rest is physical differences.
So somehow, inevitably, making jokes based on these physical differences, on sorting people (even jokingly) according to them (especially implying that there would be a “good” configuration for the, and another that would remind a state that everyone has experience, the last step of a cube where “omg omg i am almost there!!!” feeling so good as something that inevitably needs fixing…) is further re-inforcing discriminatory mechanisms.
Imagine that you would see an image that would make you say “there are 4 skinnies and 4 fatties on that (virtual) picture” -> if your conception of the world, if your way of looking at things is to see “skinnies” on one side, and “fatties” on the other, if you call them that and sort them according to that, well it’s a discrimination based on physicail aspects… isn’t it?
whether it bears a name (“fatism”?) or not doesnt matter so much as how it is a way of looking at people and at the world, that in turns can bring about further simplifications, de-humanization (if someone is “a fatty” or “a xxxx” they often are less than just “a person”), discriminations, and as history showed, often violence…
@anders@JoeBidet If there are no races then there cannot be - by definition - racist jokes.
A lot of Social Justice Fighters actually create a non-existent problem and then fight against it. In my opinion it is not racism to show people, with red hair, black skin, large eyes, short hand, small nose or whatever. If someone looks at these people and see only racism then it may be well possible that the racism is not on the picture but in the head of the said observer.
In my opinion racism is when someone suggest bad things about a group of people (preferably minority group, according to the internet warriors). I do not see racism when there is no negative feelings involved, just by showing, pointing out or joking about any differences.
Some people became way oversensitive, and often for “some imagined others”, not even for themselves. It is sad and disturbing, since it became just another opportunity to raise the stress level claiming preceived problems with others.
discrimination doesnt start with “suggesting bad things about a group of people”, it starts by creating such a group of people, and enforcing it, culturally, politically, socially and at every level (including by jokes, memes, etc.). then at some point in history when society will be tense enough and on the verge of collapse, there will always be someone to suggest that this virtual “group of people” is the cause of… you know… everything bad.
but discrimination starts way way earlier. when making “groups of people” based on things they didn’t chose, and that actually shouldn’t matter so much…
thanks :)
can I just ask this: do you see or not a racist undertone to this image? (i am not trying to entrap or judge your or anything, it’s just curiosity)
@JoeBidet
No I don’t see it and neither is it my intention to make anything racist out of it. I don’t have any problems with people who are another race than I am - rather the opposite, I think other cultures are very interesting.
I just see it as a funny coincidence that there are 3 different races and if you rotate once to the right, it will be the same race/color together. It’s just coincidence and that’s what makes it funny. Not some evil intention behind it :) and then it’s funny that someone sees it and makes a meme out of it.
I understand your point of view… I hear that your intention wasnt to provoke or to encourage hatred.
Yet, the very notion that there would be “races” here is err… a very definition of “racism” (ie. who sees things according to supposed “races”)… there is one race, the Human kind… the rest is physical differences.
So somehow, inevitably, making jokes based on these physical differences, on sorting people (even jokingly) according to them (especially implying that there would be a “good” configuration for the, and another that would remind a state that everyone has experience, the last step of a cube where “omg omg i am almost there!!!” feeling so good as something that inevitably needs fixing…) is further re-inforcing discriminatory mechanisms.
Imagine that you would see an image that would make you say “there are 4 skinnies and 4 fatties on that (virtual) picture” -> if your conception of the world, if your way of looking at things is to see “skinnies” on one side, and “fatties” on the other, if you call them that and sort them according to that, well it’s a discrimination based on physicail aspects… isn’t it?
whether it bears a name (“fatism”?) or not doesnt matter so much as how it is a way of looking at people and at the world, that in turns can bring about further simplifications, de-humanization (if someone is “a fatty” or “a xxxx” they often are less than just “a person”), discriminations, and as history showed, often violence…
Does it make any sense to you?
@anders @JoeBidet If there are no races then there cannot be - by definition - racist jokes.
A lot of Social Justice Fighters actually create a non-existent problem and then fight against it. In my opinion it is not racism to show people, with red hair, black skin, large eyes, short hand, small nose or whatever. If someone looks at these people and see only racism then it may be well possible that the racism is not on the picture but in the head of the said observer.
In my opinion racism is when someone suggest bad things about a group of people (preferably minority group, according to the internet warriors). I do not see racism when there is no negative feelings involved, just by showing, pointing out or joking about any differences.
Some people became way oversensitive, and often for “some imagined others”, not even for themselves. It is sad and disturbing, since it became just another opportunity to raise the stress level claiming preceived problems with others.
discrimination doesnt start with “suggesting bad things about a group of people”, it starts by creating such a group of people, and enforcing it, culturally, politically, socially and at every level (including by jokes, memes, etc.). then at some point in history when society will be tense enough and on the verge of collapse, there will always be someone to suggest that this virtual “group of people” is the cause of… you know… everything bad.
but discrimination starts way way earlier. when making “groups of people” based on things they didn’t chose, and that actually shouldn’t matter so much…