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I was hoping from the title that this meant that Graphene could run on the car. They’re still a huge privacy concern.
GrapheneOS requires specific safety hardware that, as of now, is usually available only on the Google Pixel line of phones. If your standard smartphone doesn’t include it, I doubt a car does.
What do you mean “run on the car”? You might be thinking of Android Automotive, the car OS.
They’re still a huge privacy concern.
…who?
E: please stop speaking on behalf of the person I asked the question to. They are the only one who knows the answer.
Modern cars are a privacy shitshow
Edit: spelling
Yes we’re all aware, thank you. What does that have to do with my question?
What does that have to do with my question?
Which question? The one you asked who was the huge privacy concern? If so…did you read the article they linked you? Because the answer is there, and I’m not going to read it for you.
Which question?
…either of them?
The one you asked who was the huge privacy concern?
You are not the person I asked, nor is the last person who replied to me, so I don’t know how you, they, or the article could possibly know who they were speaking of.
Plugging your phone in doesn’t suddenly make your car or your phone more or less private so I don’t understand the relevance.
…either of them?
They answered the “who is the huge privacy concern” with the link. I literally just said that.
so I don’t know how you could possibly know who they were speaking of.
I read the link that was the replied to you, and applied context. It’s not hard to understand what a person means when they literally write it down. It’s one method of communication. Or do you constantly read articles, and never know what the authors meant unless you can quiz them directly?
Plugging your phone in doesn’t suddenly make your car more or less private so I don’t understand the relevance.
They weren’t necessarily talking about making the car more or less private via plugging in the phone. The original comment in this thread was wishing GrapheneOS was on cars, and then “modern cars are bad for privacy” link. They were talking about the existing poor state of privacy on modern cars and wishing it was fixed via wishing GrapheneOS could be flashed to the car. There was nothing in this thread about plugging your phone into the car making it more or less private. Again…context.
They answered the “who is the huge privacy concern” with the link. I literally just said that.
No they literally didn’t. That was someone else.
do you constantly read articles, and never know what the authors meant unless you can quiz them directly?
Only if they write very unclearly, as the person I replied to did.
It sounded to me like they were referring to Graphene, and not presumably who you meant about the OEMs, which is why I asked for clarification.
I’m gonna stop entertaining this pointless debate. Let me know if you hear back from the person who I actually asked the question to, byebye now.
they meant it as having graphene replace the car’s OS. the cars themselves is the privacy concern
Is Graphene OS good? Any downsides? I need to get a new phone soon.
I’m running it. Bank apps and Safety net things (like Pokemon Go) all work. Aside from Android Auto, Google Pay refuses to work.
So, there’s no downsides.
Actually, Google Translate didn’t play ball when I tried it. I miss that one.
I switched to it a year ago and I like it. The biggest draw for me is it gives me back control and ownership over my phone. It gives you actual and thorough control over what apps can do on your phone including Google’s apps, which on other typical Android OS are being given all or most permissions with no ability for you to deny access to any of them.
To gain almost all the functionality of a regular Android OS you can install Google Play Services and run it sandboxed, which means it will only do what you allow it to do and access only what you will allow it to access, which for me is the bare minimum before things stop working too much for my tastes.
Besides Android auto for now, the only thing that won’t work for me on it is my banking app, probably because of all the security checks involved in it. But I just use the browser-based online service to do my banking operations instead.
I got my banking app working by going into App Info for it, and toggling this to on.
This is also what I use to get 3 banking apps working
Banking apps can usually be defeated by Magisk in Zygist mode, then you use the deny list to hide things from the app. Some might check with Google for security, which is much more difficult and maybe even impossible to circumvent, but in my experience these days they work fine.
Don’t you need to root to use Magisk? You can’t root in GrapheneOS
Magisk is how you get root.
Magisk also allows app spoofing, which may be something of a security risk, but using it to bypass things like banking app checks is one of the benefits. Personally, I like having root, and to me the benefits are worth the risk.
It may even be that GrapheneOS uses a little bit of Magisk’s type of functionality. At least, that’s how LineageOS4MicroG works - you need app spoofing to install MicroG, however this ROM comes with it preinstalled but disabled for anything else, so it closes the security hole. However, you probably can’t defeat Google’s SafetyNet with MicroG anymore.
From my experience, its overall good. Its basically stock android, meaning no google smart features and apps by default, with more control over apps and google services. But for caution, some apps may break. You will have to mess around with the app settings to fix them. Also some apps will not work such as the google wallet app due to the OS not being acknowledged as official by google.
In short, its a more security focused OS that may require more involvement in configuration.
is there any way to do NFC payments with grapheneos?
Google Wallet didn’t work last time I checked, but contactless payments worked perfectly well by setting my banking app as the payment app.
Not all banking apps work due to the system integrity checks they do. Support for your banking app can probably be confirmed here.
The only real downside is that the developers are divas. Also, there’s something to be said about the security of a Google manufactured device and thinking your custom firmware protects you from them, however really that’s true of any device, and the security benefits of sandboxing and other features may outweigh this.
google’s shit is literally malware
I’m a Luddite for sure, but I’d be uncomfortable with my car having access to data about how I interact with my phone. I use Lineage and not Graphene, but I don’t think I’d use Android Auto if it was available for Lineage. (Or maybe it is. Not sure. But I wouldn’t use it regardless.)
the solution is to yank out the stock infotainment system and put in a new one that doesn’t suck. that and cracking down on automakers who play dirty
Yeah, don’t ever connect your phone to your car. It has been proven that they steal all your data.
I’m more interested in that Nitro Phone 4, tbh. Not in buying it, as I’d just flash it myself, but it’s an interesting product. They also include options for removing sensors, microphones and cameras, which seems kind of cool and crazy - without the microphones how do you make calls?!
Wow this is incredible, and I will be making the switch! This was the only unavailable feature that I couldn’t go without.
Android auto is, to put it lightly, shit. The compatibility issues itself are enough to make one vomit (try finding out what’s required to use wireless connection) but once you manage to connect it it just gets worse and worse. I would not put it on my main phone even if it did work. Instead I bough cheap stock android phone and got a cheap, data only SIM (€2/month). The phone stays in my car, is not used for anything else and doesn’t have any personal accounts. I’m fairly happy with this setup.
Yes you’re right. A feature so popular that it’s been adopted by most major auto manufacturers is complete garbage. Everyone hates it. Graphene is only even adding it to appease like 3-4 people tops!
